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This is a discussion on The Red Hand and the Salmon of Wisdom within the Scotland's History forum, part of the Scottish History category.
The Salmon of Wisdom
The salmon of wisdom is often associated with the legend of Finn. The symbol of the ...
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#2
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Miles Hispaniae
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05-24-2008, 11:55 AM
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| Re: The Red Hand and the Salmon of Wisdom Although the Lamonts are said to descend from the O'Neill's of Ulster. I have not seen the Red Hand in their Coat of arms or anything else. I could be wrong!! |
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#3
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Knockdow
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05-24-2008, 02:07 PM
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| Re: The Red Hand and the Salmon of Wisdom my line of Lamont's come from the McGorrie Lamonts of Knockdow & Inverchaolain. 1st Laird of Inverchaolain Godfrey Lamont witness at the John the Baptist feast of June 24th 1431 when Swene McEwen of Otter sealed a charter at Inverchaolin, doubtless on the "knoll of worship" by the heather thatched kirk (church) Godfrey Gaelic name was Goire, an tighearn Ruadh. Gorre, or Godfrey, the Red Chieftain. I think this is also a reference to his ancestry? just my opinion The Lamont clan badge uses the hand of Ulster ![]() We have one Lamont whose DNA profile who is matching what is being tauted as that of Ui Nial descenants. One person does not provide scientific proof but adds some credence to the story. |
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#5
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Miles Hispaniae
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05-24-2008, 03:15 PM
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| Re: The Red Hand and the Salmon of Wisdom The symbol of the hand many times was used as a mark of a Baron. I do not know why the hand it is not Red in the Lamont's ? since the Lamonts claimed descend from the Ulster O'Neill Prince. The Symbol of the Hand you can find among the Manley's of England. |
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Last edited by Miles Hispaniae; 05-24-2008 at 03:29 PM..
Reason: error in spelling
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#7
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Miles Hispaniae
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05-28-2008, 04:55 PM
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| Re: The Red Hand and the Salmon of Wisdom Quote:
They all have the Red hand... More important is that they all claim share a common ancestry but none really match genetically . 1. McKeogh /Kehoe 2. O'Donnelly 3. Shields 4. McKeown 5. Daly / O'Daly 6. Donnelly 7. McNeills of Gigha and Barra 8. Neelly 9. Fox 10. McLoughlin 11. Geoghegan 12. Magennis / McGuinness 13. Maynard of Wicklow 14. McAleevy 15. McAneany 16. McAnulty 17. Adair/ O'Dair 18. O'Reilly 19. MacAwley / Cawley 20. MacDougall 21. McBean 22. MacLean of Dochgarroch 23. O'Flaherty 24. McHugh 25. McAuley 26. O'Brennan 27. O'Byrne / Byrnes 28. McCartan 29. O'Cullen 30. MacDonlevy / Donlevy 31. McEnvoy 32. O'Hurley 33. Jennings 34. O'Mangan 35. O'Quinlan There should be a discussion on all these clans and how they obtained the Red Hand in their coat of arms. | |
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#8
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Miles Hispaniae
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05-29-2008, 02:27 PM
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| Re: The Red Hand and the Salmon of Wisdom Various links of origins of the Red hand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hand_of_Ulster http://www.arthurmckeown.com/redhand.htm http://www.baronetage.org/redhand.htm |
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