[Miles Hispaniae]

The Salmon of Wisdom

The salmon of wisdom is often associated with the legend of Finn. The symbol of the salmon is represented on the coat of arms and battle standards of these Irish and Scottish clans.

O'Neill's of Clannaboy, O'Donnelly's, MacKeown's, Machlachlan's. MacLean's of Duart, MacDonald's, McNeill’s of Gigha, MacLoughlin, Campbell's of Inverane, MacIntyre of Glenno & Delaney’s.

There is the Irish and Scottish legend of Finn and how he acquired the gift of prophecy from the salmon of wisdom.
Finn (Fionn mac Cumhaill) was cooking the magic salmon, for the one eye sun god Goll. Finn scalded his thumb by touching the salmon. When he put his thumb in his mouth, he acquired the wisdom of prophecy. Learning that Goll was his enemy he slays him with his own sword. Another story is Finn is the apprentice of the Druid Finneigeas, who has captured the salmon of wisdom and leaves Fionn to tend the fire as the fish cooks. When Fionn while roasting the salmon he burns his thumb. Sucking on the burnt thumb he steals the Druid's prize- the salmon's wisdom is acquired by Finn.


This story is close in resemblance to the Norse tale of the hero Sigurd.

Regin , the master-smith and tutor of Sigurd, reforged Odin's sword, Gram, for him. With the sword Sigurd slew the dragon Fafnir, brother of Regin. Sigurd begins to roast the dragon's heart for in order that Regin may eat it. Regin counted on cheating Sigurd. Since Sigurd did not know that who ever ate the heart of the dragon would have mastery over other men. While roasting the heart of the dragon Fafnir, Sigurd touched the heart and burnt his finger so severely that he thrust them into his mouth, tasting some of the dragon's blood. Immediately he was surprised to understand the language of the birds. He was told of Regin's treachery and slew him.

1. Regin is Sigurd's tutor, just as in the Irish versions the owner of the salmon is Finn's tutor.
2. In the Norse form, the dragon's heart takes the place of the Irish salmon.

This tales must have arrived in Ireland in ancient times a possible ancient Germanic or Scandinavian migration.


A coin dating to the 8th century with the symbol of a salmon and gally on it was found in Jutland.


The symbol of the Red hand

The Red hand always has been the symbol of the O'Neill's of Ulster not to be confused with the Ui Neill. The Red hand has been borne on the battle standards of the O'Neill's of Ulster . The battle cry of the O'Neill's of Ulster is Lamh dearg an Uachtar ' the Red hand uppermost' and also Lamh dearg Aboo ' the Red hand forever' . This was always a exclusive symbol of the O'Neill's of Ulster.

Legend has it that Heremon, son of Milesius , severed his right hand to obtain the lands of Ulster. Irish monk creation to eliminate the memory of the pagan gods of the Irish.

The resemblence among the Scandinavian and Germanic god Tyr and the god Nuadu, chief of the Tuatha De Dannan, who lost his hand in battle and it was replaced by a silver one so he could reign once again. Nuadu was also the one handed god of the sun. Tyr, the one handed Germanic god of battle and patron of the sword was also called 'the shining one'.
Tyr, was the symbol of concealment and the magic cup of invisibility, but also the rebirth of the sun god in Norse mythology.

Tyr , was the chief god of the ancient Germanic tribes the Suebi of southern Germany worshiped the god Tyr by the name Ziu.

“There is a god called Tyr. He is the boldest and most courageous, and has power over victory in battle; it is good for brave men to call upon him" - Magic of the Scandinavians.

Among the Anglo - Saxons, Tyr is referred as a star that " Keeps it's faith well with King’s, Princes, and Nobel’s, always in course through the dark of night, it never fails" The sailor's guiding star called “God’s Nail".

The Celtic Nuadu had a son named Labraid Lamhdhearg ' Labraid of the Red hand'.

Also the Welsh:

Gwyn ap Nudd


Welsh: gwyn: "white" but with the connotations of "fair," and "blessed" or "holy." Son of the war god Nudd/Lludd.

Nuada's name is cognate with that of Nodens, a Romano-British deity associated with the sea and healing who was equated with the Roman Mars, and with Nudd, a Welsh mythological figure. It is likely that another Welsh figure, Lludd Llaw Eraint (Lludd of the Silver Hand), derives from Nudd Llaw Eraint by alliterative assimilation .The Norse god Týr is another deity equated with Mars who lost a hand.


Labraid Lamhdhearg in ancient Irish myths is this Labraid who was banished from Ireland and returned after thirty years of exile from ' beyond the sea'. And slew over thirty kings one Christmas Eve, and himself became king.

The Irish myths and legends have a few stories of Irishmen being banished abroad to always return. These stories seem to be the oral history of one tribe or man repeated among various places and made into different tales.

1. Labraid Loingsech
2. Tuathal Techtmar
3. Mug Nuadat
4. Lugaid Mal

Lugaid Mal, was banished from Ireland, and landed in the land of Alba, there he conquered that land and became ruler of the lands of Gaul to Scandinavia and from the Orkneys to Spain. Then returned to Ireland with a army of foreigners, landing in Ulster, and became king of Ireland and Tara.
Clans or individuals that have the symbol of the Red hand among the Irish and Scottish.

1. McKeogh /Kehoe
2. O'Donnelly
3. Shields
4. McKeown
5. Daly / O'Daly
6. Donnelly
7. McNeills of Gigha and Barra
8. Neelly
9. Fox
10. McLoughlin
11. Geoghegan
12. Magennis / McGuinness
13. Maynard of Wicklow
14. McAleevy
15. McAneany
16. McAnulty
17. Adair/ O'Dair
18. O'Reilly
19. MacAwley / Cawley
20. MacDougall
21. McBean
22. MacLean of Dochgarroch
23. O'Flaherty
24. McHugh
25. McAuley
26. O'Brennan
27. O'Byrne / Byrnes
28. McCartan
29. O'Cullen
30. MacDonlevy / Donlevy
31. McEnvoy
32. O'Hurley
33. Jennings
34. O'Mangan
35. O'Quinlan

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[Knockdow]

I don't see the Lamonts listed?

[Miles Hispaniae]

Although the Lamonts are said to descend from the O'Neill's of Ulster. I have not seen the Red Hand in their Coat of arms or anything else. I could be wrong!!

[Knockdow]

my line of Lamont's come from the McGorrie Lamonts of Knockdow & Inverchaolain.

1st Laird of Inverchaolain Godfrey Lamont
witness at the John the Baptist feast of June 24th 1431 when Swene McEwen of Otter sealed a charter at Inverchaolin, doubtless on the "knoll of worship" by the heather thatched kirk (church)

Godfrey Gaelic name was Goire, an tighearn Ruadh. Gorre, or Godfrey, the Red Chieftain. I think this is also a reference to his ancestry? just my opinion

The Lamont clan badge uses the hand of Ulster


We have one Lamont whose DNA profile who is matching what is being tauted as that of Ui Nial descenants. One person does not provide scientific proof but adds some credence to the story.

[Knockdow]

see the Lamont coat of arms which depicts the hand of Ulster

[Miles Hispaniae]

The symbol of the hand many times was used as a mark of a Baron. I do not know why the hand it is not Red in the Lamont's ? since the Lamonts claimed descend from the Ulster O'Neill Prince. The Symbol of the Hand you can find among the Manley's of England.

This post has been edited by Miles Hispaniae: 24 May 2008 - 03:29 PM
Reason for edit: error in spelling

[Luckey]

Thank you for the information; well written and thought out and certainly a healthy discussion starter among us Lamonts.

[Miles Hispaniae]

Luckey said:

Thank you for the information; well written and thought out and certainly a healthy discussion starter among us Lamonts.

The Clan MacEwen of Otter, Clan Maclachlan, Clan MacNeil of Barra, and the MacSweens, all claim descent from Anrothan O'Neill.

They all have the Red hand...

More important is that they all claim share a common ancestry but none really match genetically .

1. McKeogh /Kehoe
2. O'Donnelly
3. Shields
4. McKeown
5. Daly / O'Daly
6. Donnelly
7. McNeills of Gigha and Barra
8. Neelly
9. Fox
10. McLoughlin
11. Geoghegan
12. Magennis / McGuinness
13. Maynard of Wicklow
14. McAleevy
15. McAneany
16. McAnulty
17. Adair/ O'Dair
18. O'Reilly
19. MacAwley / Cawley
20. MacDougall
21. McBean
22. MacLean of Dochgarroch
23. O'Flaherty
24. McHugh
25. McAuley
26. O'Brennan
27. O'Byrne / Byrnes
28. McCartan
29. O'Cullen
30. MacDonlevy / Donlevy
31. McEnvoy
32. O'Hurley
33. Jennings
34. O'Mangan
35. O'Quinlan

There should be a discussion on all these clans and how they obtained the Red Hand in their coat of arms.

[Miles Hispaniae]

Various links of origins of the Red hand


http://en.wikipedia...._Hand_of_Ulster

http://www.arthurmck...com/redhand.htm

http://www.baronetage.org/redhand.htm